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23rd January 2005

Does anyone know this type of boat built from Summers & Payne?
I found this boat in an old box in Sorrento.
Does anyone have some information about this type of  sailing boat?

Best regards

Vincenzo Amoroso

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23rd January 2005

My Father bought “Katie” in 1947 from Frank Shuttleworth at Paglesham in Essex

She was/is a converted Maldon smack.
He sold her in 1957.

I wondered if she is still around?

Martyn Langford

We are in search of main sail for valkyrie II (ck47)
We are based in spain,
Our last contact was Adrian Wright of kent
......can anyone help? we are desperate
very much apreciated.
Dave Johnston

I am trying to trace some copys of a book. 'The Restauration of Valkyrie II' by Sarah and Dave Johnston.
Published by Batsfords in about 1984.

Dave Johnston

The keel up restoration is under way on Hobo, a '69
U.K. C-Type Potter.  This boat was shipped to the
states when new and lives in New England until I
bought it and trailered it to California.  It will not
be converted to a lateen rig or any other than the
original Gunter rig with a possible modification and
an addition.   A wooden tabernacle will be added.  The
current Gunter rig has a metal track on the mast and a
guide on the spar.  I'm thinking of removing the track
putting jaws on the spar.
I think the jaws will allow faster rigging.  The boom
and spar, with the sail attached will be one unit to
attach to the mast.  The current track and slide will
require the spar to be separated from the boom.
Bob Lomas uses jaws and rigged his A Type in a wink.
Few American sailors have experience with Gunter (or
Gunther ?) rigs, so I' hope you good people can give
me some good direction.
Any suggestions?
Thanks Bill Payne

Hi my name is Gary Walls and I am a part owner in Madeline a 30ft Gaffer I've looked everywhere trying to find information about Madeline we think that she is a west coast nobbey possibly a prawner we found her in a boatyard on the Deben in a sorry state but she is now sailing again she is carvel ( pine on oak frames ) and was previously owned by somebody called John Hugget we believe but we cannot contact him I have sent some photos of her as we got her ( she looks different now ) I would be grateful for any information or if you would kindly pass this on to somebody that might be able to help.
yours hopefully  Gary Walls

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USE OF A BARGEBOAT WANTED FOR A GOOD CAUSE

Tony Ellis is not an OGA member, but is Chairman of Trustees for the Cambria Trust, raising funds to restore SB Cambria back to usable condition. he is also editor  of Thames Guardian: the journal of The River Thames Society.
He is planning a marathon scull in a bargeboat, sculling over the stern, to raise funds for Cambria in the Autumn.

I am posting this to see If any member can help by lending  or knows the whereabouts of either a wooden or grp replica bargeboat that Tony could use for his fund raising marathon in September/October.

Thanks for your help
Regards

email Robin Ford  (OGA member 2302)

Hi
Im interested to find other Skanner 19 owner

Reg Wright

Restoring a gaffer also means restoring her toilet, in this case a Blake Baby.
I am in search of a good original lid with hinges since it is missing on my boat.
New ones can be bought but I rather buy a new boat for the price of that.
So if anyone of you happens to have one around to spare (who doesn’t) and wants to sell it for a good cause and a nice price is invited to
reply.

Hope to hear from you,
Frank Zomerdijk
Ondina
The Netherlands

I have just started restoring ALAN, which I believe is a very early Bembridge Redwing, circa 1900. She was registered with OGA in the 70's number 147. She is Gunter rigged.
I would like to do the restoration as near as possible to the original plans, does anyone have any idea where I might find out more about these early Redwings.
Please contact
Peter Rowe


15th May 05

After reading the latest Classic Boat Mag ,I felt I should contact you and let you know a bit about my vessel "OYSTER" that featured in the June 1998 Classic Boat mag.
I bought her in the year 1999.
With two friend sailed her from Nelson to Lyttelton a distance of 271nm from the top of the South Island to mid way down the east side ,in 67hours non stop. "OYSTER"is now a charter boat in survey to carry six passengers on a hands on sailing experience. The name of my company is Jack Tar Sailing Co  in Lyttelton just 15min from Christchurch in New Zealand. Since 1999 we have carried over 600 people in safety ,as you know how Gaff Boats handle.,and are sea kindly even in a blow.

"OYSTER" was built by Charles Bailey Jr in 1903 is 31ft6in with 4ft bowsprit 24ft waterline 9ft beam and draws 4ft6in with 25cwt of lead on the keel she sets 500sq ft of sail,in fly ,jib, staysail, main, topsail, mizzen,and mizzen topsail,and a mizzen jib on a long reach.
I belong to the Classic Yacht Ass of New Zealand.For more info look at our web page.
Thanks Michael Rossouw ,Owner / Skipper. www.jacktarsailing.co.nz  mike@jacktarsailing.co.nz
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I am at present restoring /repairing my ancient 16.5' clinker day boat, that is at least 50 years old and I am changing the rig to a gaff sail.
All the figures work out for C of E etc, I intend to build a 4" hollow wooden mast. But I am not sure what size to make the spar and boom. The sail size is ,foot 10.5', and the head is also 10.5' with a leach of 15', and luff of 7.5' approx.
Any help would be appreciated.
Yours Nick Murphy.
Deepest Oxfordshire.

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I am interested to hear from anyone who owns a Skanner 19. My boat is"Annie" Built by Mike Howes in 1986. Sail No 21. She is moored in the Menai Straits.

Reg Wright.

Hello again to all at the Gaffers Forum.

In my research into my Six Metre (The 1911 A.E. Payne "Houri"), I've been led, some might say by the nose, to trying to establish the fate / whereabouts of his other International Rule designs.

The complete list runs thus:

(All yachts are 1907 - 1911)

Six Metres:  Hayo, Dorathea (both registered to Pula, on the Istrian Peninsula) - Fate unknown
                Fury 1910 - Scrapped 1992 Southampton
                Snowdrop 1910 - Fate unknown
                Houri 1911 - in early stages of restoration

Eight Metres: Ythene 1907 - Fate unknown
                  Zelva (Originally to be called Julnar - name changed before completion) 1907 - Ashore in dry storage at the Maritime and Industrial Museum, Swansea.

Five Metre:

Emu 1907 - Commissioned by Mrs. J. Ismay of Bembridge IOW, for her son, the younger brother of J. Bruce Ismay (Chairman of White Star Line) in 1907. She stayed with him until 1919, when she disappeard from Lloyds Register. She
surfaces in an article about Sunbeams on the Itchenor S.C. website: Owned by John Breakwell, an architect who lived on Jersey until his death circa 1961, when she passed to his brother Frank and put apparently put up for sale. Any
information on the fate of this yacht or any of the others listed above would be greatly appreciated.

Another stab in the dark, leading to yet more staws to clutch at !

Best Regards

Dave Seer

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You might care to pass on this image to the owner, sorry I couldn’t read the name on his transom.  I have a couple more images if they are wanted.

Roger Gaspar

I am looking for a masthead light that is appropriate for my old gaff cutter.
It has got to look the part, work well and be available. Diameter of mast at truck 4 inches + / -.
On one hand I imagine it should be brass or bronze with a Fresnel lens. On the other hand I am thinking that as long as it is somewhat unobtrusive, I should steer myself towards a light that is extremely bright and does the best job.
In either case, I am hoping that someone will have a suggestion for a light that I can find a website for.
Any suggestions?

Steve Mack

Do you or any of your members have any info on a boat named 'Quinque'. I think that she was an Orford Whitewing class??
My Father and Uncle owned her in the 1950's, and she was moored at Slaughden Quay in the Alde.
I have some photos of her sailing in the 50's.
I would be interested to know if she is still around.
Last time I saw her was at Aldeburgh in the early 80's, and she was a bit of a wreck.

Tim Smart



Some weeks ago I falled in love with and old boat CYGNET II SO MUCH IN LOVE THAT
I BOUGHTHER LAST WEEK

SHE WAS BUILT BY jOHNSON AND jAGO (LEIGH-ON-SEA) and launched on may 1938.
SHE
WAS THE SINGLE EVOLUTION  FOR THE SHORT LYNETTE CLASS I BELIEVE

I FOUND A PICTURE OF HER DURING THE EAST COST RACE 1998

As i found tha oga signal ( but perhaps 1894= I try to know all informations about her ( history previous owners, pictures, original designs........ ) or useful links on internet  
as you probably remarked english is not my mother tongue (i am french )

I would be very grateful for any help

her british registry is SSR 118236

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP
Alain Brillet


I am writing in my role as keeper of the Old Gaffers Association Boat Register.  One of our Association, the owner of the Norah Creina, a yacht built by Clark and Carter of West Mersea in 1935 has asked for help in identifying the original Norah Creina.  They have found reference to an earlier boat with the same name, and ask does any one know who the original Norah was, or can any one suggest a line of enquiry to help identify this lady was and why boat owners should wish to name boats for her?

Best wishes
Nick Miller



Since I posted the enquiry I did a search of the web to find that "Nora Creina" seems to be an old Irish folk song or air.  Can you please add a supplimentary enquiry?  Can you add:-
"We have found that Nora Creina sufficiently well known to have been reffered to by both Conan Doyle and R L Stephenson each as different ocean going ships, and was a part of Irish culture that was exported to New York as a popular song.  There were several references on the web to Irish melodies, songs and airs named Nora Creina.  Perhaps the musical amongst us can help?

Nick Miller



28th May 02

I am the proud owner of a 1924, 32' gaff rigged, Broads racing cruiser. (http://members.aol.com/breeze177rcc).
She is a rather unique in the use of a relatively high aspect ratio rig, not usually favoured on the Broads because of the requirement for a tall mast to support it, which makes bridges
difficult.

Until Sunday, she had a very tall, very heavy wooden mast, which is now in the boatyard in three pieces and will probably be written off. I am seriously considering replacing with an aluminium spar, suitably disguised, to take away some of the hard work lowering and raising and, of course, improve her
performance.

The reason for contacting you was to ask if any of your members have experience of assembling a round section, aluminium mast for a gaffer.

I would be most
grateful if you could forward my request to whoever you think may be able to offer advice.

Colin Chettleburgh.



31st May 02

Any one got a picture and details of the Deben Cherub?
I understand about 17 were built in the 1930's and that there are still quite a few around.
Any info much appreciated
Send info to Lesley


24th June
We have a Winkle Brig that we are "doing up" for which we have full details of the Ferry Boatyard at Fiddlers Ferry Yacht Haven (telephone number, contact name, etc).  There is only an answer machine on the telephone number on which we have left a few messages with no response.  We have now been
advised that the Ferry Boatyard may have gone out of business or been bought out but we are hitting a brick wall at every turn to get an answer.  Would you have any idea or be able to suggest an alternative source for information.
Because of the work needed on the boat we need to source seating for the port cockpit seat and may need other spares.
jane & chris doughty
doubledfairfield@hotmail.com




New Crew for the Endeavour

The Endeavour is looking for new staff to replace those that will be leaving after we arrive in the UK, Whitby. The shipwright has been with us for two years and the bosun for six and they are moving on so we will be looking for new crew.
All applicants are to have the necessary AMSA, or equivalent, certifications and qualifications required for sailing on Class II commercial vessels. They must be outgoing and have the ability to work with others in confined spaces and must be able to supervise large groups of unskilled labour at ship maintenance. CVs should be sent to the master, Chris Blake, at mailto:cblake2@attglobal.net.
Anyone that may be suitable for a vessel such as Endeavour please send me your CV and I will get back to you.
Endeavour will be in the UK for a couple of years
.



Wanted volunteers for Kenya Jacaranda


Kenya Jacaranda is a gaff rigged Brixham trawler operated by volunteers as a sail training project sailing out of Tilbury on the Thames.
We are currently desperately short of skippers and wondered if any OGA members are suitably qualified or would like to become qualified.
They need to have RYA yachtmaster plus sea survival and first aid certificates and undertake a medical carried out by their G.P.
Also we need experienced crew who would like to work with youngsters and pass on their experience/expertise.

Please contact Ray Clark on 01268 756867 or mobile 07710512755.



3rd August 02

I'm working on a 1911 Fred Shepherd 15m shoal draft yawl (Slowly!!).
We may be moving west, and I believe there is a specialist yard on the Sharpness Canal. I don't seem to be able to find this can anyone help please?

David Brooke


17th August 02


Being both a musician and a gaffer (sadly now disproportionately in that order), the request for information on Norah Creina caught my eye. I have done a bit of research which may be of interest to Nick Miller, or the owner of the eponymous gaffer. I won't post it here, as it's off topic, and mind-numbingly boring for anyone whose boat isn't called Norah Creina, so anyone still awake and interested can contact me at Greg@johnwyattltd.co.uk and I'll forward my findings.

Greg Dunn


Hi!
I sailed a lateen rig Indian fishing boat a little way over 20 years ago and may be able to help Eric Husher with his question on how to tack such a craft.
Briefly you try to avoid that manoevre since you end up with the sail on the windward side of the mast and literally in bad shape - and so you gybe round every time unless you are "short-tacking".

Sam Coles    sacolesuk@yahoo.co.uk   &
http://homepages.rya-online.net/sacoles  and look at Ramprasad I    


Dear Sir:
Im writing to you searching for info.
You may be able to help me.
I have found an old spidsgatter for sale but I don't find information about it.
Can you send me information about it?
Its seems 10,22 meters long and is needed to be restored.
But I don’t know model or builder.
All I know is “SPITZGATTER SEGELRISS 10,22mtrs”

Thanks in advance.
Sorry for my English. Im writing you from Spain.
Juan Dominguez Fariña
INC SISTEMAS.
Tlfn:922256632 Fax:922253641
Inter Network Consulting S.L.

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HOURI

I have been pointed in your direction by the Special Collections Library of Southampton City Council. I approached them looking for information relating to my 1911 International Six Meter yacht, Houri.

She was designed by A.E. Payne Jnr, and built on the East bank of the River Itchen, by the firm of Alexander MacDonald & Co., at their yard on what used to be called Elm Road.

I have some work to do on her, however the hull is still basically sound after having been replanked. Most of what needs to be done to her involves the rig, and deck, which leads me to the difficult part. She has been shortened by 2"6' at the stern.

In light of this I have spent a good deal of time trying to trace descendants of Arthur Payne (Senior & Junior) in the hope of finding drawings of her. I have been fortunate enough to have been in contact with one of the Payne family, but as yet no drawings have surfaced...  this is in addition to following all of the more usual channels.

Do you have any suggestions as to what may have happened to the records of A.E. Payne & Co Naval Architects Ltd., or indeed those of Alexander MacDonald & Co.  ?

On the note of MacDonalds, I do know that the company went through a series of takeovers, which are detailed as follows according to Kelly's Street Directories :

1909-10  Macdonald, Alexander & Co, yacht builders, Ferry yard, Elm Road, Itchen
1910-11  "                 "                        "                    "                "
1911-12  "                 "                        "                    "                "
1912-13  "                 "                        "                    "                10 Elm Road, Itchen
1913-14  Beazley, Henry J, yacht builder, Ferry yard, 10 Elm Road
1914-15  Beazley & Kemp Ltd, yacht builders, Ferry yard, 10 Elm Road
1918-19  "                               "                     "                "
1920       R Kemp Ltd, engineers & ship builders, Ferry yard, 10 Elm Road

The firm of R. Kemp & Co., still exists, however, they are either unable or unwilling (!) to help.

I hope that someone may be able to shed some light on this matter, as I'm running out of ideas !!
If anyone would like to contact me by phone, you can do so on :

029 2092 5076 days
OR
01495 785496 eves after 18.00

Many thanks
Dave Seer

I am currently considering the purchase of an old gaffer - built  probably about 1930 to 35 built by a company in Wallasey called Henry B Hornby.
The boat is Number 361.  I am trying to find out some history of the yard, or still better the boat itself - any idea where to start?

Any help welcome!

Nick Schiller



19th April 03

Dear people , I own an original Falmouth Pilot cutter,built in the 30's, her name is "AMPELISCA".
I am having trouble finding a manual Simpson Lawrence windlass for her.
I am in the USA and am wondering if any old fishing boats are being taken apart that might have such equipment still in working order available for purchase .
Please contact George Zachorne at email :GWZachornejr@aol.com  
Thank you in advance, George and Mike

19th April
Belgrade
Serbia & Montenegro

Dear Sirs,

This is to apply to you hoping that in accordance with your ability you will help me to settle a problem.
Probably a dream of any young shipbuilding engineer, especially one who is sea loving person, is to restore an old very beautiful yacht .
I am very lucky person to work in the company, "COFIS" domiciled in Belgrade, that  has become the owner of such a yacht named Podgorka. I have a pleasure to organise complete restoration of pretty neglected vessel.
Unfortunately during a hard time of recent past years all pertaining documentation disappeared so I avail this opportunity to request you kindly to help me in finding a shipyard where the yacht was built or the name of a designer.
I have only the following data:

Name:   Podgorka
Material:  wood
Displacement: 18.5 t
Dimensions:  19.20 x 4.15 x 1.3 m
Draft:   2.75 m
Building:  London 1931

Thanking you in advance.
Best regards.

Sasha Pavlica,  B.Sc. N.A.
Marine Manager
cofisc@eunet.yu
Phone: (381-11) 32 81 883
Fax:  (381-11) 63 94 71

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Fellow traditional boat enthusiasts,
I am about to inherit a 16ft, loose luffed, gaff rigged, GRP, open day boat from my father. He tells me that the boat was modelled on a traditional fishing boat, probably used on rivers in the South East of England (UK) for shell fish gathering. The type of boat is apparently called a 'Winkle Brig'. I have searched the net with no success to find information about the history of this type of craft.
If anyone can assist me with information, or point me in the right direction, please email me > whinging_pom@hotmail.com

Thanking you in anticipation,

Simon Hill.

G'Day Pete
I just thought you may be interested in Hearing about the "F.V. Silvery Wave" She is the last Western Australian Cray fishing boat built with a sail as her primary source of power. In 1950 the Silvery Wave, a thirty six foot gaffer was built in Fremantle by Victor Mews, and was lifted from her jinker by crane, and placed into the water at the "A" jetty. She retired from fishing in the year 2000 after half a century of fishing. The "Silvery Wave" is uniquely West Aussie, as she was built with Jarrah planks, Karri ribs, West Australian Tuart knees, and a 1¼" Wandoo deck. The attached photo is of the "Silvery Wave" in her berth at Mandurah.

Steve Boocock
e-mail steve.boocock@alcoa.com.au
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Fellow traditional boat enthusiasts,
I am about to inherit a 16ft, loose luffed, gaff rigged, GRP, open day boat from my father. He tells me that the boat was modelled on a traditional fishing boat, probably used on rivers in the South East of England (UK) for shell fish gathering. The type of boat is apparently called a 'Winkle Brig'. I have searched the net with no success to find information about the history of this type of craft.
If anyone can assist me with information, or point me in the right direction, please email me > whinging_pom@hotmail.com
Thanking you in anticipation,
Simon Hill.

Dear Peter
do you know anything about the 'voyager' class of cutter built by Arthur Bishop in the 1940/50's?
I have Ti Hani, built in the early 50's & apparently used to sail to & from the island.
She is 28ft 6, with a jarrah hull & cutter rig.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Richard

Richard Young
Lecturer Urrbrae TAFE
83726818

Can any body help Richard

I'm the new owner of a vessel built in Fraborg Denmark 1942 as a trawler ketch.
I have paper work relating to her working life as a trawler out of Grimsby GY45, the certificate of British registry starts in 1954.
I dont have any history before this date although I have a news paper cutting saying she was one of the Shetland Buses, to date I cant find any proof re this .
I would very much appreciate any information about her early history.
You can see her on my web site which is
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/boats
and follow the link's to Danbrit.

Hi the name is Bob from Chesterfield.
I have a Robert Duck Gaff rig boat
31ft long 9.6 beam
Had the boat for 12 years +
What I would like to find out more details of my boat
It based at Grimsby
Do you know any were I can get nore info
Thanks Bob Kugler
jl@kayselectronics.co.uk

Hi All,

I have a Jolly boat (the Laurent Giles design - Its my first boat !) that has to go on a swinging mooring in a fairly exposed estuary and I am not too sure of the best way to attach to the buoy.  There is no bow roller and there is a bowsprit with rigging that seems to complicate matters. There are fairleads either side on the bow.  There is also an eye at around the waterline used for winching the boat onto the trailer.

Theres seems to be two options I can think of

1. I could make a bridle out of multiplex (or chain ?? how do I avoid damage?) that comes through some plastic tube at BOTH fairleads and attaches to the wooden cleat on the foredeck. Hopefully this would sort itself out as the boat swings. Havnt tried it yet so I'm not sure if the bowsprit rigging will foul.

2. Hang over the bow (its a long way) and attach some chain to the winching eye.
Any tips would be welcome

Les


Hi All

I'm seraching for any information about a boat designed and manifactured at beginning of 20th century (1900).
The boat was called "Nellie" afterwards called "Tea rat"; it was designed and built by Stone Bros. Erith and Brightlingsea.
I would to receive so information from your important organization; if not possible, please let me know who I have to contact.
Thank you very much
Best regards
Alessandro Gallo

eng. Alessandro Gallo
via R. Ardigò, 20
25100 Brescia
Italy
Tel. +39030362143 - +393281082140
email: ingallo@inwind.it

Hi All

I'm trying to find a reasonably accurate modern reproduction of a REAL French Chebec -  85 to 120 feet in length. Anybody know where or with whom I can check?
Terry Taylor

mailto:Cingetor@prodigy.net

I have just bought a gaff rigged cutter built as a yacht in 1900. She is 30ft long and her name is Madalaine.
She is at the moment on the east coast of england and will stay there,for some time;
Apparently she is a norfolk built boat?
Can any body help with more information?

I will be publishing pictures later to further help
Thanks Mike Tudge

At the Plymouth Classic Boast Rally last week I bought [from the all-too-persuasive stall holder] a clinker dinghy, allegedly of Essex origin.   It needs some renovation and I am interested to find information both of its origins and its rig.

The story  was:
Built around 1910 [claim; no evidence], 9'4", saved from destruction when developers took over the boatyard some 10 years ago at Walton-on-Naze.
Clinker, larch on oak [allegedly], 3 thwarts, two rowing positions, unstayed mast stepped in forward thwart, single triangular sail [Essex maker], bamboo boom [presumably later!], no centre plate [though man said the 12' version did have]; rudder missing
Currently leaking like a seive, but very pretty as potential fun sailer and tender to my 23' Heard Falmouth boat.

I'd love to know the original use of this sort of boat on the Essex coast, and any guidance that would help to renovate it with some authenticity [esp the sail and the rudder shape].
And is the date at all likely?

Does anyone know of any local contacts - individuals or yards/associations - that might have anything to say?

Many thanks

John Forster
watermusic@supanet.com


Barbara and I have just bought "Biddy", a gentleman's yacht built in 1908 by Howard and sons of Maldon. At some time she was sailed in the South west under the name of "Where be tu".

Anybody have any information, stories or photographs?

Rob Johnsey


I used to own Pamete,a 30ft gaff ketch built in Conway in1931.  I sold her to David Bruce Collenette in 1965.  I am trying to trace her present whereabouts and I am wondering if the Association records can help me?  I realise that whether this is an onerous request will depend on the method of recording members and their boats. If it is not, and you can help me I should be most grateful; if it is
Regards, Alan Frood

Does anyone know where Pamete is?

We have just purchased an old clinker boat by the name of 'Kestrel'. She is 18ft 8' in length and is pine on oak with a mahogony stern. She is powered by a Stuart Turner 4hp. The coachroof is mahogony and completely rotten (as well as ugly) and will have to go for something more traditional. At the moment she is bermuden rigged. However we are hoping to gaff rig her. She has possibly been identified as a boat built by The Chesford Boat & Launch company of Frogmore. She was rescued from the mud in Dittisham and has an iron keel & centre plate. Could you please inform me of any good books on the gaff rig ie. how to convert from a bermuden rig. Also, if anyone Knows The age/history of this boat and the Chesford boat co. I would be very grateful.
Thanks in anticipation

Simon McDonald
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I am the original builder and designer of Skanner Yachts Limited, 19 and 24f and built the first 30 yachts.
Im looking to see if there are any owners out there whom are wishing to sell their boat or would like to get into contact with me
Michael Hawes 07887 901841

I have just bought Winkle Brig sail no.9 which I have towed back to my house in France.
I would be interested to hear from any other owners to share views, replacement parts, experiences etc.
Particularly interested in photos under sail
Nick Baker.

I am trying to find out what happened to an Old Gaffer that my Dad used to own.
He competed in many Old Gaffers Assoc races at Yarmouth, IOW during the 60's and 70's.
The boat was a beauty called Mina, built in about 1920 at Fowey.
Dad's name is Frank Parsons.  He died in 1998.
I'd love to know if she is still sailing, and who owns her now.

Liz Parsons

I am rebuilding my boat and pictures and/or
stories could help a lot.

Boat is named Mjojo,built 1967 in Lamu,Kenia for an English family.Dim:12.75 x 4.20 x 1.95 m
Mjojo looks like a dhow complete with carved ornaments,but in her lines and rigging she is a typical english cutter.
Original rig was like a Bawley,but bowsprit could not be reefed.She sailed via South-Africa,Brazil and Carribean to England,where she probably got a big overhaul and an engine installed.
Early seventies she took part in an old gaffers race.She was sold to Holland and stayed there ever since.
The second owner was Tony Cole,then living in Amsterdam.
Any information would help!

Best regards,Tom van den Berg

As a boy in the early 60's I sailed in a 30ft lwl Gaffer called ISIS, built in Fowey in 1939 and had 8 enjoyable years learning seamanship and craftsmanship keeping the old girl in tip top condition. In 1959 my father bought ISIS in derelict condition when he found her in Birdham Pool Chichester. It all culminated 8 yrs later with us winning the south coast OGA race (class 1) in I think 65 and 66.
It would be nice to pass on her middle years history to her current owner if she is still around and also find out if our hard work has stood the test of time. My father is still active in his 80's often sailing with me in my Nich 32, we would both be delighted to hear how ISIS has faired and share old and new stories of her life. She was a lovely boat and was the catalyst of my sailing passion
Steve Green


I have just bought a "Lynette" class East Coast Sloop (24ft) called "Sophia".
She was built in the fifties.
I'm interested in finding out about the history of the class and my boat in particular.
Contact mail@johncairns.com

At 58 years of age I am trying sailing for the first time and need some info.
I have bought a 13 foot sailing dinghy approx 11 years old
It was made of aluminium and is of german origin.
I know this is a bit vague but can anyone help me as to a manufacturer.
Thanks  Brian Wood      

We just bought an old gaff rigged ship NOREEN which has her origins in the UK this is all we know aboout the ship.

Maybe you can, with your expertise, help us find the origins off this kind of ships
i've added two pictures off Noreen

your's

Jurrien de MIk
hoflaan 3
6824 bn Arnhem
info@dm-architecten.nl

I am in the process of updating my photo files and would appreciate your help in finding names for the boats in the attached files. They were all taken some time ago, 10-15 years, when the Solent gaffer race finished at
Marchwood Sailing Club.
Can anyone help Malcolm to find the names of these 5 gaffers, if so let him know.

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We just bought an old gaff rigged ship NOREEN which has her origins in the UK this is all we know aboout the ship.
Can,anyone help us find the origins off this kind of ship
see the two pictures off Noreen

Jurrien de MIk
Arnhem

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We have just become the proud owners of Gularis, we have some history of the vessel but we would like to trace what she was doing during the war 1939 to 1945

Built in 1938 for Captain Charles Hyland as his personal “Gentleman’s Cruising Yacht” (However the build spec of the vessel is far higher than required for a pleasure vessel and makes me wonder if she was purpose built for other reasons? When Gularis was built she was equipped with a self-starting generator of MoD origin even though all electrical equipment fitted to the vessel was capable of running from the onboard batteries and nothing required AC power, electro hydraulic steering, which was changed to a hydraulic only system at some time during the war. Heavy duty towing equipment was also fitted she had a very elaborate worldwide transceiver.  She also has fuel tanks that would have given her the capability to cruise between 400 to 500 nautical miles before re-fuelling was necessary.) She was designed by A. H. Comben & Hyland Ltd. And built at Stanilands boat yard in Thorne.  Captain Charles Hyland was the MD of Hylands of Wakefield Ltd they used to design and manufacture marine hydraulic systems and equipment, they used to supply equipment to the navy.  He also co-owned Stanilands boat yard
Gularis was used throughout WW II as a hydraulic test bed for new hydraulic designs from the Hyland factory; the vessel escaped being sent to Dunkirk in 1940 (After looking into the history of the “Little Ships of Dunkirk” I cannot understand how she escaped this if she was registered as a private pleasure vessel)

She passed from Hyland ownership in 1949 none of the experimental hydraulics were left on her however, the original hydraulic pump, winch, steering and plumbing are still on her.

Does anyone have any information on Gularis? or suggestions as to where we might find out more?

Colin Clarke


Does anyone know if "Tarter Maid" is still sailing.
I sailed on her in 1964 period out of Bursledon.

Colin Bank s/v Wassail
e-mail:     wassail34@verizonmail.com

Here is a request from a German gaffer, If anyone can translate and help him please do so.

Hallo,
ich bin Eigner einer Winklebrig.
Nuch suche ich dringen andere Personen die auch eine Winklebrig haben.
ich möchte gerne Infomationen austauschen.
 
Vielen Dank Klaus Sch.
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I have just acquired a clinker built  18ft lifting keel gaffer made by Dixon's of Exmouth.  She is mahogany on oak.
The question, how heavy is she?
I have a trailer and it needs new suspension units, I would love to have full Monty over engineered units but cost is the issue.
I am guessingat about 3/4 of a ton, but guess is the operative word!  
Any help greatly appreciated.

Jonathan Davis

I'm looking for a windlass for my 50' ferro double ender gaff ketch, a big boat probably needing 1/2 inch chain;

Does anyone know of an electric or hand operated machine of suitable antiquated appearance which I could restore?

From John Laband  (Working Yact I)

I am trying learn more about Martin Heard boats with little success.

Does any one know if he maintains a website?

Thanks in advance,
John Hunter
2632 Verde Lane
Winter Park, FL 32792
407-657-3574

I am searching for a 58ft steel hull Dutch barge yacht built in Holland in 1922.
She is now known as Harelda 11 and has also been known as Ivernia and Leiden.
The boat was abandoned in Paris in the 1980s and then restored by Alain Yvorra and sold in 1999.
I am not sure if he restored her here in England (I believe he lived in London and registered the boat with the Small Ships Register) or in Paris.
If you have any knowledge of this yacht please contact Sue Shephard

Looking for Ondina

For the complete restauration of the gaff cutter 'Ondina' from 1906 I am looking for information. Anything that can contribute in the reconstruction of her history and documentation for the restoration of this yacht and her builder/designer is welcome. Hopefully this will help bring her back in original shape and condition and bring her history back to life.

The oldest known photographs to me are from may 1929 (Yachting Monthly, frontcover and article 'Across channel with Ondina'). Beken photo's from 1953 show the boat nearly unchanged but, somewhere in history her rig was altered to bermuda yawl, cabin, cockpit and interior were altered
and the counter was cut short. There is concrete in her bilge and I wonder if this is original.

From 1907 to 1981 she was registered with Lloyds in Falmouth, with homeports Salcombe [1960] and Fowey [1980] for short periods. Soon after she came to Holland.

The story goes that several sailors have seen 'Ondina' often in the Mediteranean sea and around the Canary Islands in the sixties or seventies and a Transatlantic voyage is supposed to have been made then, about which a book should have been written. A copy of the book I have never found, but if there are any...

The designer/builders were Luke & co, Hamble. I can not find much about their history, except that the wharf went into flames and all documents with it. Has anyone ever recorded the history of this company and its boats? Pictures and measurements show she looks very much like the one year younger and only two feet or so longer 'Lady Maud' from the same builder. The owner of this famous boat I have traced for questions but the also is looking for more information to make his boat as original as possible. He recalls having seen Ondina with a Bermuda yawl rig in Fowey in 1971. Maybe the standard she had flying in 1953 (see picture) may also give a clue?

Anyone with any information, be it a story, photo or document or just a possible trace of where to look further is invited to reply and help complete Ondina's history. If there will be any news I will keep everyone informed if appreciated.

I very much hope to here from you.

Best regards,
Frank Zomerdijk
Member VKSJ
Magnoliahof 23
5213 HJ 's-Hertogenbosch
The Netherlands
T: + 31 73 523 08 21
E: info@zozo.nl

Ondina, Luke & co, 1906
build number 120213
9 tons, 37,5 ft long, 27 ft waterline, 8.8 ft beam
5.6 ft draught, 796 sq ft sail area

List of owners (mainly Lloyds)
1907: J. Gregory Bond
1919-20: Humphrey J. Willyams
1924-25: Mrs J. B. young-Jamieson
1925-26: F. E. Rohrer
1926-27: A. L. Rohrer & C. H. Langdon
1927-28: Percy M. Homan (or Holman according to Yachting Monthly)
1931-32: F.E. Osborne
1934-35: Capt. H. R. Newgrass
1938-39: F. S. Atkinson & H. F. Barge
1947-48: F. S. Atkinson
1955-56: Michael L. Brownlee
1964-65: A. J. Edwards
1978-79: R. De Vos (Dutch?)
?-93: de Haan (Dutch)
1993-03 H. Breitscheid (German)
dec. 2003 Frank Zomerdijk

I have owned a Terry Heard Tosher for the last 20 years, sailing in Salcombe/Dartmouth, but the love of my sailing life was a 38' Looe pilot cutter named Curlew.
I used to be relief skipper when she was owned by the Island Cruising Club.
She was sold 20 years ago, and I have not heard of her since....any one know of how I might track her down.  

She had a red, white and blue painted topmast, from a pervious dutch owner, and stern davits for a clinker built tender. Gaff cutter rig.
Large for her length, ie large freeboard.
Originally black, but possibly repainted a lighter colour  for sailing in the sun....from which I don't know if she has returned.

Please let Gerard Woodruff know of any information you might have.

I am trying to trace the whereabouts and the history of the 'Sundance '.
I believe she was sailing from St Ives Cornwall circa post 1950. The only information I have available is the registration LT 577 ( formerly the sailing Smack  Jubilee ? ) and the words Nobels, Girvan, Scotland 1950.
I would greatly appreciate any assistance anyone can offer. Thank you.
Contact T Capps-Jenner

Please does anyone have any information on the sailing smack "Patrick Henry".  

Dennis Durrant

GORLESTON HERITAGE VIRTUAL MUSEUM
Have you seen it yet?
www.gorleston-heritage.co.uk



Laurent Giles Jolly Boat

Can anyone who has one of these please get in touch?

Many thanks

John Brough

I am searching for an iron hulled Dutch barge yacht now called Harelda ll.
I think she is now berthed in Paris and used as a houseboat.
I also want to know more of her history.
I found an article in a French magazine which says when she was called Leiden, the yacht 'caused a sensation by crossing France, from the channel to the Mediterranean, via canals and rivers'.
She then did charter work in the Mediterranean before being returned to Paris in the late 70s where she was abandoned. Does anyone remember this story?.
She was also called Ivernia in the 1950s and her name was given to the Cunard for their liner Ivernia.
I would be grateful for any help or information about the history and present whereabouts of this boat.
Sue Shephard

I live in Limerick, in what is called the mid-west of Ireland.

I have recently bought a boat called the *Knocknagow*, which I believe began trading between Waterford and Carrick-on-Suir, on the River Suir in the south-east of Ireland, in 1912. It both carried goods itself and acted as a tug for the unpowered lighters used on the estuary. Its beam is 12', but I understand that a wooden fender extended this to 12' 6". There are no locks on the Suir, so there was no restriction on beam: I suspect therefore that the boat was not built for the Suir.

Draught is about 4' 6" and I understand the boat was originally
steam-powered; it is suggested that the steam-engine was removed in Portadown in Northern Ireland in 1930. (A friend is checking sources there.)

The boat was later used in the gravel trade on both the Suir and the Slaney, with an excavator on the bow. In 1975 it was saved from the scrapyard, shortened to 61' so that it would fit the Irish Grand Canal, replated and converted for use as a private pleasure-boat. Its superstructure and interior were remodelled several times and it was fitted with two masts (which did not survive), a hydraulic centreboard (which did) and a 36'-wide square sail. I have now brought it to the River Shannon.

There are some photos of the boat under its previous ownership on http://slaney.iwai.ie/rally02/: it's the big one.

As a result of the conversions, there is something of the grandfather's axe about the boat, but it is still remembered on the Suir. I would like to trace its history: I can use local sources from 1912 onwards, but I would like to know where the boat came from. I have been told that it was probably built around 1900, and I have found the word "SCOTLAND" in capitals, about three quarters of an inch high, on the stern, to the starboard of the centre line. There MIGHT be another
word in front of it that MIGHT be "LEITH".

Is there a good source of information about barges built in Scotland?
Web searches have not been very productive as I have very little to go on; I thought my best bet might be to find a list of the vessels built by particular yards and then select those whose size seems right. I would welcome any advice.

Brian J Goggin

Members of the OGA may be interested to know that the Bartlett Library of the National Maritime Museum Cornwall operates an enquiry service which deals with the kind of questions which have been posed on this Forum (though no guarantees of satisfaction are given).

The service is open to all. The first (elastic) hour is undertaken free. If the enquiry cannot be satisfied within this time, those making the enquiry will be informed and given the option of further time, but at £10,00 per hour.

The Bartlett Library has 12,500 volumes, including archival material and full runs of yachting magazines backed by an increasing number of data-bases.

See www.nmmc.co.uk. Access to the Bartlett Library is free to all visitors; Tuesdays to Saturdays, 10.00am to 5.00pm
NO appointment necessary, despite what the website currently says.

Roger Stephens (Volunteer Library Assistant, Bartlett Library).

We have just purchased a 32 foot Morecambe Bay Prawner called "Penguin"
 We have been told that she was built circa 1882 and constructed by
Stoba at Fleetwood.
She has the classic lines of a Morecambe Bay Prawner. Is there any way or anyone who may be able to add to the history of this boat currently lying in Conwy, North wales.

Kind Regards
D Clifford

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